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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 08:08pm on 15/10/2025 under
On to episode two! I love these early, Nihuang-heavy episodes, when the action is still all quiet and domestic and we begin to discover the pre-existing relationships between the characters. Xia Dong, Nihuang and Prince Jing all tangled up in a complex web of friendship and hostility; Prince Yu and the Crown Prince, endlessly squabbling in ways that show just how alike they are, while their different reactions to the discovery of MCS’s identity creates the firm impression that Prince Yu, for all his faults, is the better of the two.

I love the first appearance of Mu Qing, overcome with outrage at the low standard of his sister’s suitors. Oh all right, I love everything about Mu Qing all through the show, but it’s a particularly satisfying entrance. I also love watching Jingrui’s face as Prince Yu and the Crown Prince fall over each other to suck up to MCS. Of course, he doesn’t know about the messages from Langya Hall that make MCS’s favour such a desirable prize, so it’s a complete mystery to him why they keep trying to shove expensive gifts in his face.

The Emperor gives us the first glimpses of his true self in amongst all the avuncularity when he explains to Gao Zhan why he wants to marry Nihuang off – it’s Prince Qi all over again; he knows Nihuang and he knows she’s loyal, but just the fact that she could rebel if she wanted to makes her intolerable to him. And he shows us his nasty side again in his Catch 22 treatment of poor Prince Jing. For Gao Zhan watchers, there’s a flicker of dissent in both his observation to the Emperor that Nihuang could only marry someone extraordinary, and, of course, in his tactful reminder that Prince Jing is still waiting outside.

This time around I watched the scene with the Grand Dowager Empress from Nihuang’s point of view. In spite of what she tells Liyang, she’s always been curious about MCS, ever since she recognised Wei Zheng and figured out that he’d been sent by the Jiangzuo Alliance, but I don’t think she ever suspected for a moment that Lin Shu was its leader, or even that he’d survived the massacre. When MCS shows up in the hall, she’s very, very interested, but not in a hopeful way. And then the Grand Dowager calls him “Xiao Shu” and her whole brain lights up. Watching that scene play out, I think she’s onto him from the moment he grabs her hand, but her confidence in her theory is knocked when MCS very plausibly says that he did it because he didn’t want to offend the Dowager.

I note that when Nihuang and MCS comes across the eunuch beating Tingsheng, Nihuang has no idea who the boy is, she intervenes because she’s that kind of person, not because of any loyalty to his father.

Most significant of all, right here, in the very second episode, we get the first mention of the all-important hazelnut pastries.
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posted by (anonymous) at 07:10pm on 15/10/2025
I’m loving Nihuang’s manly swagger - after her ten years protecting the border she’s lost all her femininity and is proud of it.

As someone who has not watched it as often as you, I feel a bit as though I’m watching it again for the first time, only without the intense confusion I recall on my real first time. It’s so much fun!

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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 06:35am on 16/10/2025
Nihuang's swagger is wonderful. It really makes her stand out from all the women of the palace, and so does the forthright way she talks. I like the way Nihuang moves physically like a man and MCS, at least in these early episodes where he's surrounded by royalty and nobility and hasn't yet established his own high status, speaks softly and moves humbly, like a woman.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 06:37am on 16/10/2025
It's amazing how the fog of confusion clears up on second viewing, isn't it? For me it was like watching a different show (I always compare it with reading Emma for the second time, when you know what's really going on. It's like getting two books for the price of one, and NiF is the same).
 
posted by (anonymous) at 09:31am on 16/10/2025
I think this is my fourth watch. But it still feels new. Although I know who MCS is, I’m still so intrigued by what will happen next. I had to stop myself from watching ep 4 last night just so I wouldn’t get too far ahead of your posts. Not many dramas will suck me in that deep.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 10:54am on 17/10/2025
I have an unexpectedly Rosie-free night tonight so I will make an effort to catch up with everyone else - or at least not to fall too far behind!
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 02:02pm on 16/10/2025
I love episode 2 every time I watch it. We've done the initial set-up, and while set-up is still continuing, storylines are developing complexity. The Emperor introduces the marriage context in ep 1, but now we see that he's not the only one with a political interest in this, Prince Yu and the Crown Prince have, too. Loads of Nihuang, the introduction of Prince Jing (I observed this time that in ep 1 Prince Yu goes home before going to the palace...). We see the network of relationships start to develop. Yet there is so much we don't know! It's obvious that Jing and Nihuang are friendly (which also tells us that Jing probably doesn't hold the same view of the Lins as Xia Dong), but no nothing of Jing and Lin Shu. Xie Yu and the Grand Princess are random nobles, not relatives. And then - we meet greatgrandmother. I agree that Nihuang is onto MCS to some extent from the very moment that he's Xiao Shu. The respecting an elder excuse is superficially good to prevent getting ones hand cut off, but does it really convince? Not enough to stop her thinking there is a lot more to this man that she wants to look into.

I am always watching Gao Zhan now.

Speaking of MCS dropping breadcrumbs through death glares, on rewatch the Fei Liu - Meng fight is so obviously one. It's not visible to Xie Yu or the first time viewer as anything but coincidence: he's the one who invites Meng to his house for business reasons we're explicitly given (tho being on good terms with General Meng is no doubt a long-term political goal). But MCS already knows that Xie Yu and Meng must liaise periodically has surely asked to take advantage of an opportunity to pick a fight with Su Zhe's bodyguard. After all, if Meng had actually thought Fei Liu was a threat, he would have stopped him more quickly and less noticeably for the household.

Not scheduled for that very
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 07:17pm on 16/10/2025
Actually, I stand corrected! Meng says in 3 that he didn't know that MCS was arriving now. Whoch doesn't mean it can't be a set up by MCS, just that he did it solo: let Fei Liu play about, having worked out that Meng will attend to discuss secruity at some point, and spot the odd behaviour.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 10:56am on 17/10/2025
Ah, you're right! Sending Fei Liu off to mess about in Ning Manor was clearly deliberate, though, otherwise they wouldn't have flagged it by having Yujin question the wisdom of it.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 11:00am on 17/10/2025
I observed this time that in ep 1 Prince Yu goes home before going to the palace...

Ooooh, those bastards! There's something about the sheer pettiness of the ways in which all three of them are mean to Prince Jing that's more infuriating than Prince Yu's subsequent serous attempts to land him in trouble.

By the way, I noticed in episode 1 that Prince Yu doesn't bother to investigate who sent the assassin because who else could it have been but the Eastern Palace? More evidence for your not-looking-past-the-obvious insight into Team Yu. And it certainly explains why it takes him so long to spot the threat Prince Jing poses, because he's got so used to thinking of the Crown Prince as the ONLY enemy.
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 05:52pm on 17/10/2025
Theyre SO petty! It's obvious they aren't being like that because they want to damage a percieved threat, they're doing it because they think he isn't a threat and thus it offers an opportunity to big themselves up as the Righteous Sons in front of the emperor. But they could equally have done that by saying something like, "Prince Jing has done well, this is all down to your wise example as Emperor, father."

You're right! Not even a quick check it wasn't anyone else to be on the safe side.
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 11:02am on 17/10/2025
The respecting an elder excuse is superficially good to prevent getting ones hand cut off, but does it really convince? Not enough to stop her thinking there is a lot more to this man that she wants to look into.

No, it briefly makes her think she's added up two and two to make five, but she still wants to know if they make four, and it doesn't take long for her to swing back to the Lin Shu theory.
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posted by [personal profile] nineveh_uk at 05:40pm on 17/10/2025
Watching 3 last night, including the Wei Zhe made me appreciate the effort they put in to establishing that Nihuang is very intelligent. MCS isn't the onyl one wondering what Prince Jing's interest in this servant child is.
 
posted by [personal profile] caulkhead at 12:52pm on 17/10/2025
Ooh, looks live I've come back to DW at ust the right time :)
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posted by [personal profile] azdak at 05:28pm on 17/10/2025
Serendipity! The fates have decreed that you must join the rewatch!

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